26: Topical Plant Medicine, Ayurvedic Wisdom, and Ehlers-Danlos Syndrome with Sarah Lyons
26: Topical Plant Medicine, Ayurvedic Wisdom, and Ehlers-Danlos Syndrome with Sarah Lyons
Plants Saved My Life
In this enlightening episode of Plants Saved My Life, we're joined by Sarah Lyons, of Dandelyons Co. She holds a background in Cosmetic Chemistry and Ayurvedic Studies. This fascinating journey takes us from the lab to the world of holistic wellness. After being diagnosed with Ehlers-Danlos Syndrome, Sarah explored the synergy between Vedic and Nordic Herbalism, their innovative product "The Muscle Balm," and alternative plant-based therapies for chronic pain. Our guest also sheds light on how Western Pharmacy has commercialized herbal knowledge and shares insights into the transformative power of plant-based diets. Whether you're a herbalist, wellness seeker, or simply curious about holistic healing, this episode offers valuable insights into ancient wisdom and modern wellness.
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Hey everyone.
Raven:Raven here coming at you with another episode of Plant Saved My Life, where I
Raven:interview scientists, shamans, therapists, and patients who have all witnessed
Raven:life-changing effects from plant medicine.
Raven:This week I'm sitting down with Sarah Lyons of Dandy Lyons Alchemy.
Raven:Sarah is a cosmetic chemist specializing in plant chemistry as
Raven:well as Vedic medicine, the oldest school of medicine in the world.
Raven:Together, we're gonna be discussing her journey in plant medicine,
Raven:the future of holistic care, and what inspired her to develop a
Raven:plant-based topical for chronic pain.
Raven:So join me as we welcome Sarah Lyons to the show.
Raven:Also a quick disclaimer.
Raven:While I make every effort to broadcast correct information,
Raven:I myself am still learning.
Raven:I promise to double check all my facts, but I realize the plant medicine is a
Raven:constantly changing science and art.
Raven:So the views and opinions expressed on this show are intended purely for
Raven:educational and informative purposes.
Raven:No topics are intended to be construed as medical advice.
Raven:Awesome.
Raven:Well, thank you so much, Sarah for joining.
Raven:Plant Saved my Life today.
Raven:I know you have a profound background, not only in cosmetic chemistry, but also
Raven:plant chemistry, and you mentioned before then you studied Vedic medicine, and
Raven:I would love if you would, don't mind introducing yourself to the listeners.
Sarah:Yeah.
Sarah:Thank you so much for having me today.
Sarah:Raven, I, you know, I really respect what you're doing with your podcast.
Sarah:I think that is why we all get into this essentially, right.
Sarah:, and, you know, a little bit of my background is, you know, like you
Sarah:said, I'm, I do plant chemistry.
Sarah:I'm a cosmetic chemist.
Sarah:, I started in, uh, the Vedic realm learning, uh, Sanskrit and sitting in
Sarah:the Vedas and, you know, finding my, my gurus through, you know, Ayuvedic
Sarah:and also actually, which is, the, the, basically the Vedic form of astrology.
Sarah:And so it's, it's sort of a lot of different limbs of system there.
Sarah:And what really kickstarted my journey is I started falling very chronically
Sarah:ill with, you know, many illnesses, whether it was, you know, gut issues
Sarah:or even physical disabilities.
Sarah:And so , I almost feel like I didn't even, I didn't even have a choice
Sarah:not to study this stuff because I was put into corners where, You know,
Sarah:traditional western medicine just didn't have any answers for myself.
Sarah:And so, you know, there's two options people can take in those
Sarah:positions and it's rather accept your fate, which was very dim at the
Sarah:time, or figure something else out.
Sarah:So, I have grown to love both the spiritual and the scientific
Sarah:aspect of, you know, what these plants are doing for us.
Raven:Yeah, likewise.
Raven:I feel like for some of us, there is no real choice.
Raven:You're faced with having to learn yourself.
Raven:and like you said, I do believe wholeheartedly in the, the benefits
Raven:they give us, not only spiritually, but also mentally and physically for our
Raven:actual like biology and for medicine.
Raven:And with that said that, that's one thing I really like about
Raven:the Vedas is that they provide.
Raven:Kind of the framework for both the more holistic viewpoint.
Raven:And I think it's really admirable that you actually went through the, the
Raven:process of learning Sanskrit prior.
Sarah:Yeah.
Sarah:Cuz the thing is, is Sanskrit's almost a hidden code.
Sarah:It is, yeah.
Sarah:and so even if you translate into Hindi, you're still missing a lot.
Sarah:And so, you know, my teacher always drilled into us is,
Sarah:you know, there are secrets.
Sarah:To learning aade even into the grammar of Sanskrit itself.
Sarah:So, you know, there's a reason why, you know, NASA studied Sanskrit to
Sarah:actually learn how, very basic AI could actually be formed because
Sarah:it's almost a mechanical system.
Raven:Wow, that's actually really interesting and definitely respectable
Raven:because Sanskrit is, incredibly complex and like you said, being able to receive
Raven:the information in their true form and as opposed to something that's
Raven:translated, you're gonna be able to pick up on those, like you mentioned,
Raven:like kind of the hidden codes and the hidden meetings that are in there,
Raven:even just coded away in the grammar.
Sarah:Yeah, for sure.
Sarah:I mean, we all can probably detest like English is a very flat language.
Sarah:There's not much meaning behind it, and I think that's what has formed, you
Sarah:know, the culture that we have today that seems to be so neglected from nature.
Sarah:every indigenous culture never had a separate word in
Sarah:their language for nature.
Sarah:So, you know, going back to trying to relearn how to get there in a
Sarah:system that seems so divided, I think is all of our missions here.
Sarah:So,
Raven:Yeah, that's a really good point.
Raven:Kind of like, kind of like how in certain cultures they don't have a word.
Raven:Like, I was recently reading a book about a gentleman who studied, went
Raven:over to, I believe Bangladesh, and he stayed on a, he, he stayed in an ashram
Raven:and he, they were, They were beside themselves with the concept of self hate.
Raven:That was something that they didn't even conceptualize.
Raven:It's not part of their vocabulary mentally, or even
Raven:like language mo vocabulary.
Raven:And, and I think that says a lot about their culture.
Raven:They didn't even have that as part of their life.
Raven:And here in America we have nuances and layers and different
Raven:feelings and waves of self hate.
Raven:And there they couldn't even really grasp the concept of it.
Raven:Exactly.
Raven:Similarly, yeah, similarly with the Vedas and other cultures,
Raven:if they don't have a separate.
Raven:Word for nature to actually distinguish us from that or us from them.
Raven:It really drills in that we are part of that.
Sarah:Exactly.
Sarah:And you know, that's, that's kind of where I start when it comes to, you
Sarah:know, introducing people as to like, their first question is, why, why are you
Sarah:bringing up this, this plant medicine?
Sarah:If we have, if, how much money do we spend billions dollars a year?
Sarah:These, these, these scientists?
Sarah:How can, how, how are you figuring out something that they're missing, but.
Sarah:My biggest philosophy with that is if we have come from nature itself, we, we have
Sarah:developed from the rhythms of nature.
Sarah:The more that you add humans, like inventing things.
Sarah:So the more that you're trying to invent something that is not what our bodies
Sarah:were used to evolve on, essentially, that's when the disease starts.
Sarah:So my biggest example too is just the fact that we have genetically modified wheat to
Sarah:the point where our guts can't digest it.
Sarah:And then that, that spews out all of these other different medical issues.
Sarah:And it, it stems from the fact that we are separating the, the essentially amazing
Sarah:super computers that we are from the, the source of which that, that, that bred us.
Sarah:And so if you take, if you, if you slice that out of it and you're trying to
Sarah:create these new things that may or may not work, you start really disrupting
Sarah:the natural flow of your system the same way that, ecosystems work.
Sarah:Our body is, Gen is, it's genuinely just a mini version of that.
Raven:Yeah, that's a good way to put it.
Raven:Our body is just a mini version of an ecosystem, especially whenever you
Raven:consider our gut bacteria and then looking evolutionarily how we may have
Raven:absorbed other organisms and things.
Raven:It is very interesting to see that we are just a culmination of many other living
Raven:things, including our consciousness.
Sarah:Yeah.
Sarah:Yeah.
Sarah:And you know, I even when it comes to plant medicine, I feel like even
Sarah:like, water, water consciousness could even come into play itself.
Sarah:You know, there's, there's been, I've, I've actually recently gotten into just
Sarah:like that vast amount of research and it's crazy the, the memory that water holds.
Sarah:So if water can hold memory, what, what can plants do?
Sarah:I think, I think that's why people love Sheila Jet so much.
Sarah:Cuz how many, you know, thousands of years ago was that plant d n a put there
Sarah:that is now being reintroduced to our
Raven:system.
Raven:Yeah, yeah.
Raven:Really good point.
Raven:and one thing you mentioned, or you kind of touched on is that our western medicine
Raven:perspective has all these fallacies that lead us to where we're not able to
Raven:address certain medical conditions in the same way that more traditional Vedic
Raven:principles that prefer, that provide more holistic plant-based routes might do.
Raven:So.
Raven:I'd love to know your thoughts on how clinical trial research plays
Raven:a role in validating the efficacy of these ancient herbal knowledges.
Sarah:Yeah, for sure.
Sarah:So, you know, when you start getting into clinical research in general, there.
Sarah:Yes, you can, you can, publish a clinical research report and there
Sarah:can still be fallacies in that.
Sarah:that's why it's really, really important for everyone to do their own research.
Sarah:You know, don't just follow, you know, one, one person's opinion, right?
Sarah:I'm not, I'm not gonna be preaching that, but what I have found is, you
Sarah:know, there's even fallacies in the way that they present, you know, Western
Sarah:data too is in those public trials.
Sarah:and it can really stem from, you know, let's say, you know, there's some.
Sarah:Sort of monopoly around, you know, financing for a certain product.
Sarah:another big issue too around those things is the fact that, legally you're
Sarah:not allowed to tell people the, the, the plant ingredients that are helping
Sarah:you on over the counter medicine.
Sarah:You have to just say it's an active, solely because the FDA
Sarah:essentially gate keeps the fact that you can get more things approved.
Sarah:So even down to turmeric, you can't say that does anything.
Sarah:Despite, mass amounts of clinical research on it, you just have to say
Sarah:it's a natural color in, but wow.
Sarah:Then when you, yeah, it's crazy, but then when you go into, you know,
Sarah:the genuine clinical trials and it also, you have to look at it too.
Sarah:We're just reading it in the western world.
Sarah:In India, there's a whole system of, there's Ayurvedic hospitals there that
Sarah:are doing research, and the biggest thing that I've found actually even, let's
Sarah:say, let's, let's take a, a successful western trial on treating C O P D and
Sarah:we take a successful trial of, C O P D treatment in an Ayurvedic hospital.
Sarah:The Western will actually heal the C O P D a lot faster.
Sarah:But then the patient comes around and gets different issues down the line because,
Sarah:your body doesn't like anything too fast.
Sarah:If you do something too fast to it, it's going to mess up.
Sarah:Whereas in the Ayurvedic hospital, they, they, I think the timeline was maybe three
Sarah:to four months compared to two weeks.
Sarah:but after that four month, treatment trial, the, the, the patient was cured.
Sarah:He didn't have any other issues.
Sarah:He can go on with his life and so, Seeing the, seeing the types of different
Sarah:clinical research between the two worlds of thought, you really have to
Sarah:take in account as to what, what is it?
Sarah:What is the long term and is the short term quick fix?
Sarah:What is that doing to disrupt other portions of your system?
Sarah:Because it's just not a natural way for your body to heal.
Raven:And we can kind of see that with the pipeline that we're all exposed to
Raven:over here, where you take, let's say you take this medicine to solve your
Raven:heart issues, and then you have to take this medicine to solve your depression.
Raven:Then you have to take this medicine so you can sleep at night.
Raven:Mm-hmm.
Raven:And then, None of those things are really solving whatever the core
Raven:issue is, just solving one symptom that's caused by another medicine, or
Raven:at least that tends to be the case.
Raven:so like you said, with our sort of Western clinical perspective, being
Raven:able to cure C B O P D and then whatever the cure may be or whatever the.
Raven:The actual treatment protocol may be isn't actually treating the whole.
Raven:So these Ayurvedic hospitals with their, even their own research framework,
Raven:which is really interesting and I wanna dig into, but even with their
Raven:own research framework, they take into account the more holistic aspect to
Raven:make sure that the entirety is being healed and that you're not gonna
Raven:have to come back in a few months for another silver bullet pharmaceutical.
Sarah:Exactly.
Sarah:And then if people are saying they have sleep issues, my first question is,
Sarah:what time do you go to bed and when do you get off your phone and do you
Sarah:have, and do you wake up with the sun?
Sarah:It's not just like a a, not just a yogi thing, like our bodies
Sarah:are meant for circadian rhythm.
Sarah:And I speak about this from personal experience cuz for many years I myself
Sarah:had an intense amount of sleep issues.
Sarah:But just adjusting lifestyle changes prior to medication, I think is
Sarah:one of the other major differences between the two philosophies.
Sarah:which goes back to the amount of time it takes to heal, right?
Sarah:If someone wants a quick, I wanna take this pill now, I wanna throw a pill at it.
Sarah:I don't wanna work with my body.
Sarah:We're so, we're so detached from our bodies that we're just treating it as
Sarah:some sort of vending machine instead of the vehicle that we're essentially,
Sarah:you know, praying to every day.
Raven:Yeah, and I think that's a really good point to underline is that that kind
Raven:of highlights the differences between the two schools of thought, wanting
Raven:to take a pill and actually, you know, just, just get it better right now.
Raven:Or actually wanting to highlight the lifestyle changes necessary.
Raven:And I think that there is a, there is a contingency here in the West
Raven:that is promoting that sort of thing.
Raven:still to this day though, I've never once had a doctor or a therapist or a
Raven:psychiatrist or a dietician or anyone ever ask me if I meditate and I feel
Raven:like maybe they should, you know?
Sarah:They should, but you know what, I, I can't make money off of that.
Sarah:I make money off of selling you the pill.
Sarah:Meditation is free even with a lot of, my inflammation of my body.
Sarah:I, I deal with, Eller Danlos syndrome, and arthritis.
Sarah:But a lot of those symptoms actually, subsided just by taking,
Sarah:you know, gluten outta my diet.
Sarah:There's a lot of.
Sarah:Things you can do where, you can start seeing effects almost instantly itself,
Sarah:but it takes a little bit more discipline.
Sarah:You know, when you grow up in a society that you walk down the
Sarah:street and everything, all the food that's accessible to you is not
Sarah:something that, you know, you can essentially eat without it affecting
Sarah:anything, you know, in a harmful way.
Sarah:It takes a lot of self poncy that I think a lot of our society also doesn't preach.
Sarah:We're always relying on someone else to fix this.
Sarah:Or that, and it's good to ask for help, but it's like, what can, what, what can
Sarah:I do to take responsibility for myself?
Sarah:Yeah,
Raven:really good point.
Raven:And I know we're not necessarily talking about psychoactive plants
Raven:right now, but that it seems to be a recurring theme on this show is that the
Raven:psychoactive plants tend to show us that.
Raven:That we can help ourselves, that we have the power to learn and the power to
Raven:heal from inside ourselves, as opposed to just like having someone else do it,
Raven:having a prescription, do it for us.
Raven:Like I think that's the biggest thing we're learning.
Raven:I worry sometimes that we're taking the same silver bullet I idea
Raven:ideology and applying it to this new plant medicine renaissance.
Raven:but that is something I think a lot about.
Raven:And something you said earlier really struck home, especially in regards
Raven:to like having, you know, having to deal with the lifestyle issues and
Raven:gut and gastrointestinal issues, is that wheat, which has been a staple
Raven:to the human diet for God's CEN thousands of years, millennia at this
Raven:point, has been genetically modified and mutated is something that a lot
Raven:of the population can't even digest.
Raven:And I think that really says a lot.
Raven:I mean, that's all of our fruit, all of our fruit, all of our animals.
Raven:Like a lot of what we take in is indistinguishable from, or
Raven:it's, we can no longer recognize it from what it used to be.
Sarah:Exactly.
Sarah:And again, it stems from industrialization and essentially the, the economic
Sarah:factor of it, like ancient grains are a lot harder, to monotonous offer
Sarah:because of the way that it's grinded, the way that it's, , processed.
Sarah:It's a lot more labor intensive and also the shelf life is not the same.
Sarah:So when we started, you know, moving into more of a society that was so gridlocked
Sarah:into a nine to five, people stopped having enough time to cook for themselves.
Sarah:So they had to rely more on preserved shelf food, longer, longer shelf
Sarah:life, food, essentially, to live, you know, home cooking, every meal
Sarah:became a thing of the past, right?
Sarah:So we're adapting into this new future of productivity.
Sarah:But then in the process, what are we neglecting with ourselves?
Sarah:and you know, you, you do bring up the, the psychoactive, plant medicine.
Sarah:There is definitely a place for that.
Sarah:I do agree there.
Sarah:There it is.
Sarah:You know, there can be, you know, a morphing up to that similar, culture.
Sarah:But I was actually talking to someone the other day.
Sarah:It's more so, you know, when this plant medicine honoring the, the
Sarah:ritualistic spiritual portions of it, instead of just, you know,
Sarah:taking it out of like a Ziploc baggy.
Sarah:and doing it just the same way you could take an Adderall.
Sarah:I think that's what makes it a difference to it.
Sarah:If that makes sense.
Raven:No, absolutely.
Raven:Cause I think that that's one thing they teach us is it's not just about
Raven:the chemicals entering your body.
Raven:Yeah.
Raven:It's about the whole entire experience even, I mean, even like the week
Raven:leading into the experience, what kind of stuff you're eating, how
Raven:do you feel spiritually, mentally.
Raven:I think all those things play a role, and if anything is learned from this plant
Raven:medicine renaissance, the psychedelic renaissance, if you wanna call it,
Raven:it's that it's all part of a whole.
Raven:Mm-hmm.
Raven:Exactly.
Raven:So, with all that said, I also wanna ask what inspired you to develop the muscle
Raven:bomb as your company's first product?
Raven:So, the
Sarah:muscle bomb, it came from my own personal journey of, of genuine
Sarah:chronic pain with, when I got diagnosed with LR Standler Syndrome, essentially
Sarah:what that is, is my body doesn't know.
Sarah:The d n a doesn't know how to synthesize collagen correctly.
Sarah:And so without collagen, you know, that's all what your
Sarah:joints and muscle fibers are.
Sarah:And so it creates a plethora of.
Sarah:health issues, whether it's gut issues because your gut I isn't properly working.
Sarah:it can affect your VAs nerve, it can affect just your joint pains in general.
Sarah:And so I got to the point where, I was 23 and I, I couldn't even get
Sarah:out of bed to go to my own birthday because my body had, just disintegrated
Sarah:to the point of being immovable.
Sarah:but then I, you know, at the time I was still just studying, but I, due to my
Sarah:health issues, I was like, okay, well, let me take this time and figure out what,
Sarah:what can we do from a physical standpoint?
Sarah:Because in, in L Los Sandler syndrome community, when you're diagnosed with
Sarah:that, it's a very, very depressing experience, because there's no
Sarah:actual cure for it in the west.
Sarah:The only thing that you can really do is you can take painkillers the
Sarah:rest of your life, which is not something that is doable, truly.
Sarah:So, no, that's not
Raven:quality of life at all.
Sarah:No, not quality of life.
Sarah:And it almost made me upset.
Sarah:I was like, well, you know, it's something that's so many, you
Sarah:know, these people deal with, but they're basically getting offered.
Sarah:That's just like weird, like.
Sarah:Weird end of life sort of feel where it's like, well, it is what it is.
Sarah:And you know, you read through the stories, it's so sad.
Sarah:And I just re I just rejected it.
Sarah:I was like, you know what, there has to be some sort of way.
Sarah:and so I delve really deep into topical pain medication.
Sarah:and what I actually wanted to focus on is, I wanted to bring, and this
Sarah:was at the point where like C B D topicals were very, very popular.
Sarah:But as I learned more and more about, herbalism from, you know, all around the
Sarah:world, I realized that there are a lot of different herbs that you can start
Sarah:formulating that also have a lot of good, you know, self-soothing effects.
Sarah:Not only that, but also transdermal.
Sarah:And also it can affect both, you know, their, your skin's gonna feel really bad.
Sarah:You can use it on that, but then it can also get soaked really deep
Sarah:and stop the inflammation markers in the muscle fibers itself.
Sarah:So I went from barely being able to move every day to, you know, creating
Sarah:this muscle balm, consistently doing an upkeep of, you know,
Sarah:mis daily oil massage for body.
Sarah:And I was able to start living a normal life again.
Sarah:So it really just, it came from I, my own personal journey.
Sarah:And then once I found that, I was like, well, more people,
Sarah:you know, need, need this.
Sarah:And I felt very, very compelled because my heart.
Sarah:Breaks for the people that you know, whether they don't have enough money
Sarah:for, you know, holistic consultation or they have not been introduced to it.
Sarah:I wanted to make something very accessible to them because I also,
Sarah:found a lot of, you know, whether it was Western or, you know, natural
Sarah:medicine muscle bombs in the market.
Sarah:I didn't feel like it was hitting what, what people severe pain needed.
Raven:Yeah, that's a really good point because like you said, there are
Raven:a lot of muscle bombs on the market.
Raven:A lot of them may be formulated with plant chemicals like eucalypt all or
Raven:something, but they might be, but they're not really hitting what people need
Raven:for real deep chronic pain, especially something with the connective tissues.
Raven:which I wanted to ask, I'm only partially familiar with
Raven:Ehlers stent, Dan low syndrome.
Raven:just to confirm, is that a condition where pe where your like
Raven:shoulders and stuff might pop out?
Raven:Yes.
Raven:Is, is that a common, a common symptom of that?
Raven:It is,
Sarah:yeah, because the, the, the decrease in collagen is
Sarah:making everything very loose.
Sarah:And so like every time people with Eds walk, it's going to feel like, I
Sarah:would say like it, your body is held together with essentially rubber bands.
Sarah:When you have Allan Syndrome, those, those rubber bands are pulled a
Sarah:lot more and they're not tight.
Sarah:so that's essentially what that is.
Sarah:And it, it causes, it, it causes a lot of chronic pain, chronic
Sarah:fatigue, and just, you know, don't even, don't even think about living
Sarah:somewhere that's cold with it.
Sarah:Wow.
Raven:I would love to hear about like kind of the trial and
Raven:error developing the muscle bomb.
Raven:Which plants did you try until you found some that actually worked?
Sarah:Well, there, there was two sides to it.
Sarah:Is, and, and I'm also gonna bring this up too from, you know, a natural side of
Sarah:things is I, I also in the process talked with a lot of people that said, well, I
Sarah:tried this natural thing, it didn't work.
Sarah:I think in the natural community, we are so, we are so in love with the plants
Sarah:that I think we forget sometimes the small details of, let's say the chemistry
Sarah:and the proper formulating of it.
Sarah:So we have this faith in this, something that's very potentially
Sarah:healing, but it comes up short because you're not adding the mechanics to it.
Sarah:And so one of the biggest things that I had to do while formulating
Sarah:the bombs is just figuring out the proper dermal limits.
Sarah:That it would, it, it wouldn't cause, desensitation of your skin and, and burn
Sarah:you, but it would have enough effect that it would work the same as prescription.
Sarah:So it was, it was one portion of that.
Sarah:And the second portion actually was figuring out, like we, we talked
Sarah:previously of what, what oil format.
Sarah:we'll let you get that transdermal effect because there are, when you're
Sarah:formulating with butters and oils, there's going to be a molecular or weight
Sarah:of each one, and some oils are gonna be able to get absorbed deep into the
Sarah:skin and others just sit on the top.
Sarah:So I saw a lot of products in the market not being formulated correctly, and
Sarah:so I, I, for the first time in life, I really, really, truly understood what.
Sarah:A mad scientist felt like,
Raven:I bet that felt nice though, like mixing up all your salves
Raven:and your bombs and all, like your apothecary and everything.
Raven:I bet that felt very nice.
Sarah:Oh yeah.
Sarah:It's the, one of, one of my favorite things about the bomb is the scent.
Sarah:and I know there's been so much, you know, slander with this
Sarah:essential oils and I get it.
Sarah:There are products out there that are not formulated correctly with essential
Sarah:oils that are burning people's skins.
Sarah:And so, People have been actually very had, I've had to have conversations
Sarah:actually with, with stores that wanted to sell the products, but they're like,
Sarah:well, our demographic, they don't, they're really scared of essential oils.
Sarah:And I was like, that's such a shame because you can't, you can't get
Sarah:certain medicinal properties from plants if you're macerating the oil.
Sarah:It needs to be a very, very, focused concentrate such an essential oil
Sarah:with the correct dermal amount to get the, to get the relief that you need.
Raven:Yeah, really good point.
Raven:so are you allowed to share what the constituents of the bomb are?
Sarah:Yeah, so the, I mean, it, it's totally not a secret.
Sarah:I, I legally have to tell you what, what's on, on my website.
Sarah:but yeah, so, I have ashwagandha in it because, ashwagandha
Sarah:topically is really great.
Sarah:I love ashwagandha, even just for like a mood stabilizer drink.
Sarah:and I, and I wanna do like a, a, a quick, like p s a cuz I've, I've seen
Sarah:people overtake ashwagandha too and be like, I don't feel anything anymore.
Sarah:And I'm like, well this is, this is why we need rules, guys, even for plans.
Sarah:but it, it's good as like a very, very, It's an adaptogen, but then it also
Sarah:helps those biomarkers on your skin.
Sarah:and then it also has arnica, which is arnica is really amazing for bruises.
Sarah:So what's gonna happen when you are, you know, working with your,
Sarah:with muscle pain is there's actually gonna be many bruising inside too.
Sarah:So you need to make sure that all those getting hits, wild oregano.
Sarah:Bio oregano is really great in terms of, you know, we, we think of it as putting
Sarah:it in rt, but it's actually really, really good for, anti-inflammatory and
Sarah:then actually something called janho, which is a fascinating herb from T C M.
Sarah:And it is actually similar to the, the, the trials have actually seen it
Sarah:similar to a morphine effect except it's non-addictive and it does not have.
Sarah:a potency issue.
Sarah:Like you, your system can actually build up a resistance to, to morphine.
Sarah:but with this, and then, then Shea butter's also a really important
Sarah:ingredient too because I, when it comes to picking your butters, it's very important.
Sarah:And what I like to really emphasize with this product, and you'll see
Sarah:this if you buy it, is those main six ingredients are on the side with
Sarah:their, with their flags and country of origin, of where I source it from
Sarah:because, Where plants are native is where it, there's multiple facets of it.
Sarah:You need to support the economy from where it's coming from.
Sarah:You can't just take and two oregano that's grown, let's say in Ohio,
Sarah:will not have the same healing effect as where it has been basically
Sarah:developed in, you know, in Greece.
Sarah:So you, when you're, even as, if you're starting a company or you're looking at
Sarah:natural products to use, you wanna make sure that you know your manufacturer
Sarah:is sourcing the ingredients correctly.
Raven:Oh yeah.
Raven:Especially whenever it comes to things like plants, because there's
Raven:so many unintended side effects and so much unintentional harm
Raven:whenever it comes to mass cultivating or commercially used plants.
Raven:So it is really nice that thoughtful, mindful that you put
Raven:the country of origin on there.
Raven:Cause like you said, that, that really does matter.
Sarah:Oh yeah, for sure.
Sarah:And I'm, I'm very passionate too, even about the shea butter,
Sarah:sourcing is I, I work with a company called Baraka Shea Butter.
Sarah:and it's, it's, it's fair trade shea butter because there are a
Sarah:lot of issues when it comes to sourcing shea butter, especially as.
Sarah:The entire world, just like boomed with the fact that, wow, this is
Sarah:like an amazing cosmetic ingredient, not just for like health reasons.
Sarah:but in the process, a lot of, Ghana women were, were, were essentially
Sarah:put through slave labor, and taken advantage of to harvest these shay
Sarah:nuts by, by multiple factors, whether it was politically or socially.
Sarah:And so, I make sure that I work with a company where they pr pr they provide
Sarah:a very supportive and enriching environment, that's women safe.
Sarah:And make sure that they have, a means of ways to make a living.
Sarah:and also are honored in that same way because, Shea butter's a very important,
Sarah:spiritual aspect to the people themselves.
Raven:How many, how many iterations of the bomb did it, did you have
Raven:to make until you came up with one that really worked for you?
Raven:Cause I imagine, I mean, I imagine it definitely took some trial and error.
Sarah:Probably around 250.
Sarah:That's, and that's, and that's being, I think on the smaller side.
Sarah:Wow.
Sarah:There is so many different, and you'll see, I don't know
Sarah:if you formulate all but.
Sarah:Crystallization of butter is something very tricky to figure out.
Sarah:I'm sure even if you can go to a grocery store right now and buy a shea
Sarah:butter product, it might be grainy.
Sarah:so there's a lot of trade secrets in figuring out how would that
Sarah:make very smooth body butter solve.
Raven:Wow.
Raven:Wow.
Raven:That's interesting to think that it's not, I mean, and not only is it
Raven:the formulation, but it's also even down to like getting the consistency
Sarah:just right.
Sarah:Oh, yeah.
Sarah:It's, that's all, that's why the whole term, you know, chemistry is
Sarah:so important, figuring that out.
Sarah:Because I didn't want people to put their hand in a jar and it
Sarah:to be too hard, to be too oily.
Sarah:I didn't want it to, you know, if it melts during the summer, if it, if it
Sarah:res solidifies, I don't wanna be grainy.
Sarah:I, I put a lot of thought process into the application of it.
Sarah:That's so funny.
Sarah:I was not expecting you to ask that, but that's my little
Sarah:pitch is the smoothest body.
Sarah:But you'll ever try.
Raven:That's good to know.
Raven:I mean, it definitely sold me on it already.
Raven:so of course in my world I kind of work primarily with C B D and T H C,
Raven:but I have a lot of, which are natural plant constituents, but I have a lot
Raven:of patients who are a little bit weary of them, due to either their personal
Raven:history or to, you know, the many years of information that we've been fed.
Raven:So, Aside from those, what alternative plant-based therapies have you found have
Raven:been helpful for managing chronic pain and also just promoting overall wellbeing?
Sarah:well for chronic pain, like in terms of, like not topical or any like
Sarah:meditation use, but rather, sorry, I just wanted you to clarify the question.
Raven:Oh yeah, definitely.
Raven:So, not just topical, but also including topical, because right now we have like,
Raven:like you said, there are resurgence and CBD topicals and THC topicals, which are,
Raven:are plants that I often see being, I mean, I work in that field, so I see it often.
Raven:but there's a lot of patients that are kind of apprehensive towards it.
Raven:So what would you recommend they kind of look into or do their own research about?
Raven:Mm,
Sarah:okay.
Sarah:this question is very, close to my heart too, because I'm
Sarah:actually, I'm four years sober.
Sarah:from T H C.
Sarah:Yeah.
Sarah:So I, but the thing is, is I know I don't wanna, and you can edit this
Sarah:out, I don't wanna scare, anyone with that history cuz I also think
Sarah:there's a very important part of that research for people that is healing.
Sarah:Like, for instance, my aunt has Parkinson's and t h c gummies have
Sarah:calmed her tremors completely.
Sarah:So I don't know if how to answer that question without, you know, putting more,
Sarah:you know, I don't want, I don't want them to feel like I'm projecting my own.
Raven:well, honesty is always the best policy.
Raven:I'm not, I'm not too worried about that at all, just because I, I want
Raven:people to get a full, honest picture.
Raven:as you said, with plants, we have to take safety into account as well, and
Raven:harm reduction's always part of the game.
Raven:Mm-hmm.
Raven:So I don't mind, you know, your, your truth.
Raven:Oh,
Sarah:okay.
Sarah:I appreciate that.
Sarah:If you're comfortable sharing.
Sarah:Oh yeah, for sure.
Sarah:So, you know, I'm four years sober from both alcohol and weed.
Sarah:Congrats.
Sarah:Thank you.
Sarah:And the first question, people are like, well, how could
Sarah:you get addicted to weed and.
Sarah:Although it's not a psychoactive substance, I felt myself, really,
Sarah:really, yearning for an escapism.
Sarah:So even down to, you know, I've, I've seen people, even just misuse
Sarah:like C B D drops, you know, because we're, we're itching for this, this
Sarah:sort of, I would say almost just like another reality that doesn't hurt.
Sarah:And so within my own journey, that's, that's also why I had to get into this.
Sarah:I, when I sobered up from weed, I actually is when I figured
Sarah:out I had chronic pain issues.
Sarah:That's
Raven:usually how it goes.
Raven:Yes.
Sarah:Yeah.
Sarah:I had no idea my body was in pain every day.
Sarah:And so that's, that's why I had to create something topically,
Sarah:and start doing lifestyle changes because although, for instance,
Sarah:my aunt, she has Parkinson's and.
Sarah:T Sea gummies work amazing for her.
Sarah:There's other people like myself that, you know, are, are genuine.
Sarah:I, I misused it, unfortunately.
Sarah:And, and although that plant is sacred and the, the plant itself is giving
Sarah:us a visitation, you know, I, I I had to move past something, that I would,
Sarah:you know, escape into and explore and kind of just sit with myself and,
Sarah:and sitting with myself is almost, you know, it's a scary concept.
Sarah:But that's, you know, where we go into, you know, meditation and
Sarah:meditation is such a broad topic, but there's, there's different
Sarah:types of meditation you could do.
Sarah:mantra chanting or Japa is, you know, putting a single-minded
Sarah:focus, while holding a plant, you know, and honoring that plant.
Sarah:And, you know, using, using different types of brainwaves to calm it down
Sarah:instead of, you know, doing that.
Sarah:And, even down to, I know we don't, this, this topic does not really.
Sarah:Come up a lot, but plant medicine and incense, the way that, let's
Sarah:say burning them affects you, you know, sage is antibacterial.
Sarah:That's, that's a huge medicine.
Sarah:And, and that's a, that's something that is very, very calming if
Sarah:you, you know, you can't, if you can't, you know, smoke anymore or,
Sarah:you know, you can't take edibles.
Sarah:There are so many other ways to utilize those beautiful plants in
Sarah:a healing way, that might not be destructive to your own personal path.
Raven:Yeah.
Raven:First off, thanks for sharing.
Raven:So I definitely understand how intimate that could be.
Raven:Trying to dive into your own relationship with cannabis is something that
Raven:all of us, I mean myself included, everyone that works in in this
Raven:industry, everyone who has a lifelong relationship with this plant at some
Raven:point finds themself wrestling with, am I using this for medicinal purposes?
Raven:Am I using this just to use it?
Raven:Am I addicted to this?
Raven:Mm-hmm.
Raven:am I using it as escapism?
Raven:And I think that that's something that everyone has to
Raven:weigh for their own personal.
Raven:Their own personal relationship.
Raven:Cause everyone's a little bit different.
Raven:Everyone's body's different on how it's actually interacting on a molecular level.
Raven:And everyone's different on how their mind's actually, why are they reaching
Raven:for the joint that time, you know?
Raven:Mm-hmm.
Raven:Everyone's a little bit different that way, so I think that's something
Raven:that we all have to consider.
Raven:And I really appreciate sharing your story cuz that's, I know I
Raven:myself have gone through moments.
Raven:I can look back and there are certain times in my life where I
Raven:was definitely abusing cannabis.
Raven:Hundred percent was there times in my life where I was abusing cannabis.
Raven:There's times in my life where I.
Raven:Was abusing video games, you know?
Raven:Mm-hmm.
Raven:Like that, that's just how, how human nature can be exploited, unfortunately.
Raven:And I think that we have to be particularly mindful and conscious
Raven:of these plant medicines, because much like tobacco, eventually
Raven:it's gonna stop, eventually it's gonna stop giving us benefits.
Raven:Eventually it's gonna start giving us harm.
Sarah:Ex.
Sarah:Exactly.
Sarah:And, you know, during this plant renaissance, I'm always, I, I call
Sarah:for people to be, you know, you know, truthful and honest with their journey.
Sarah:so, you know, it doesn't get into that, that same culture because it's.
Sarah:You know, there, there is no quick fix.
Sarah:Even, even doing, you know, plant medicine, there's, there's no quick fix.
Sarah:It has to be super holistic and, and being very honest with ourselves
Sarah:because, you know, if they're, if we are, you know, continuing a narrative
Sarah:of, you know, plant, plant medicine is foolproof, you know, even that's a dis,
Sarah:that's almost as, you know, discerning as saying, you know, the way that,
Sarah:you know, alcohol is even developed.
Sarah:Right.
Sarah:There's, I feel like there's a new type of, Celebrity making, making an alcohol.
Sarah:I've been told when, you know, our parents were our age.
Sarah:They were, you could go in a liquor store and there was maybe like a wall
Sarah:of it, but now there's like seven.
Sarah:And so we, we, I think humans are, like I said, going back to the inventions,
Sarah:we're, we're always trying to recreate something, but we're missing just
Sarah:something that's right in front of us.
Raven:Yeah.
Raven:That's a really good way to put it.
Raven:We're missing something that's directly in front of us.
Raven:Yeah.
Raven:Beyond the physical aspects, how do you see holistic health kind of impacting
Raven:mental and emotional wellbeing?
Sarah:Oh yeah, there's, because there's a direct correlation,
Sarah:there's a direct correlation and, you know, we can get into woowoo.
Sarah:I love WOOWOO stuff.
Sarah:but I also think a lot of listeners here are, you know, are attracted to your work
Sarah:because you do take a very scientific and clinical aspect to your, to your
Sarah:research and just, just look up, just look up any research they've done while
Sarah:hooking up a Buddhist monk to an MRI machine while he, while he meditates and
Sarah:see the difference in brain activity.
Sarah:One of the, you know, I've worked with actually a couple of people in substance
Sarah:abuse centers that introduced meditation to help brain plasticity, affect, you
Sarah:know, substance abuse and rehabilitation.
Sarah:Because we get into this mindset where, you know, we say, oh, you know, I have,
Sarah:I have a mental illness, and you know, we've all been there and you feel kind
Sarah:of stuck and you feel like you might be living with this the rest of your life.
Sarah:You're like, okay, well, you know, I had trauma growing up.
Sarah:This is why my brain's the way it is, and I just have to accept.
Sarah:But when you get into, you know, the psycho-emotional aspect of this, your
Sarah:brain is, your brain can literally change.
Sarah:There are, you can rewire it.
Sarah:And, and I've seen this too with even, research, with, with mushrooms, the
Sarah:way that it, it, it, it distinguishes the different synapses that it's doing.
Sarah:Those are, those are completely new pathways that have not been there before.
Sarah:And so, you know, finding a balance between, you know, am I abusing this,
Sarah:but rather, you know, maybe I do this once in a while to maybe have a reset.
Sarah:Let me see what it can do in a healing way.
Sarah:I'm, I'm super supportive of that.
Raven:Yeah, I agree.
Raven:One thing whenever it comes to mushrooms specifically that I think about is how our
Raven:brain falls into these ruts immediately.
Raven:Every day we carve our brain into deeper ruts.
Raven:We think about like, oh, well, I have to get these bills done.
Raven:I'm not good enough for this.
Raven:I'm never gonna do this, et cetera, whatever.
Raven:Whatever your narrative is, that everyone's always constantly feeding
Raven:themselves, and every day that we wake up and continue to feed that narrative, that
Raven:groove gets deeper and deeper and deeper.
Raven:So it's harder to really get out of that frame of thought.
Raven:And I find that with mushrooms you find.
Raven:Conditions like depression or anxiety or one mental health
Raven:conditions that can somewhat be attributed to living in that rut.
Raven:living in that groove that you've constantly been feeding
Raven:yourself, living in that narrative.
Raven:And I find that mushrooms shake that up, allow you to step outside that narrative
Raven:and view a different perspective.
Raven:And it's amazing to see that the clinical research is kind of it, the,
Raven:the clinical research is backing that up.
Raven:Mm-hmm.
Sarah:For sure.
Sarah:For sure.
Sarah:It's, it's really fascinating.
Sarah:Yeah.
Raven:Yeah, it really is.
Raven:What are some, out of, so studying Nordic herbalism and the Vedic principles,
Raven:what are some other plans that Western medicine just isn't privy to yet that
Raven:you would love to see gain some traction?
Sarah:Hmm.
Sarah:Where do I start?
Sarah:I'm trying to, right.
Sarah:God, there's so, so many.
Raven:I'll say with the name of your company being Dandelions Alchemy,
Raven:I'll say dandelions are a big one.
Raven:I would like to see more, more people understand that they do have a medicinal
Sarah:purpose.
Sarah:Oh my God, dandelions is crazy.
Sarah:So it's.
Sarah:It's, I love it.
Sarah:and the reason why it's called dandelions alchemy is because, you know, there's
Sarah:so many, there's so much of the earth from all around the world that
Sarah:have these really amazing medicinal properties that are, that are very
Sarah:specific to their natural climate.
Sarah:But dandelions is something that exists everywhere.
Sarah:So I really felt strongly that it was some sort of binding thread with all of us.
Sarah:And, you know, we think of dandelions as a weed, but to other people it's medicine.
Sarah:And so if that's our train of thought as people here in the West.
Sarah:What else are we missing are, why are we trying to kill something
Sarah:that's supposed to harm us?
Sarah:So it was more of a bigger picture of things.
Sarah:And you know, recently I've actually been working with, people who have
Sarah:recovered from alcohol and have completely destroyed their liver functioning.
Sarah:If you, if you are in kind of post post-recovery of that and you completely
Sarah:shot your liver having dandelion root t.
Sarah:Like in the morning and at the night for, for a month straight can
Sarah:actually reactivate your liver because it's the bitters that you need.
Sarah:Wow.
Sarah:Yeah.
Sarah:That's, that's my, I would say it's really good for alcohol damage to your liver.
Sarah:If you're a heavy drinker, put some, put some dandelions in your tea.
Raven:Wow, that's a really good point to make.
Raven:And to, to your point, we view dandelions as a weed and other parts
Raven:of the world and other cultures.
Raven:They view him as a medicine.
Raven:So what are we missing?
Raven:That's a really good point.
Sarah:Yeah, we're kind of a backwards society.
Sarah:Like, you know, you, you've been mentioned earlier where we're
Sarah:like, oh wow, this, this does this.
Sarah:Oh my gosh, this new natural medicine.
Sarah:Like, go, go to a village.
Sarah:They'll laugh at you.
Sarah:They'll be like, yeah, yeah.
Sarah:Like, of course.
Sarah:And, and even if you go like men look at mental health in any sort of village, let
Sarah:me know if those people are as sad as, you know, the Wall, wall Street trader
Sarah:that's making a million dollars a year.
Sarah:Yeah,
Raven:we live in a crazy discourse in America, and I think it's that disconnect.
Raven:I really think that's the disconnect, is because we're so disconnected
Raven:from the natural course of why we're even, of why we're able to be
Sarah:here today.
Sarah:Yeah.
Sarah:And I think it, it starts with the food and water, I think.
Sarah:I think absolutely.
Sarah:You know, if you spend years and I've spent a lot of money on just
Sarah:like a proper filtration system with, you know, re even trace minerals, I
Sarah:know that's, that would be a rock.
Sarah:But I, I still feel very strongly about people getting their
Sarah:trace minerals at this point.
Sarah:It's like, if you're consistently malnutritioned, you are, you are not
Sarah:going to even understand what it feels like to, to live like a natural life
Sarah:like that, where you can just be with a group of people and be happier.
Sarah:You're running towards this, like this, this money and this, this greed.
Sarah:Like, it's good.
Sarah:It's good to have money that you can live and you can enjoy and you can experience.
Sarah:But I think we fall.
Sarah:We are, we are.
Sarah:So, you know, we're not understanding what it feels like
Sarah:just to be content with yourself.
Sarah:And it starts with chronic toxicity.
Sarah:That was another reason why I started the company, is because chronic toxicity
Sarah:is the silent killer to all of us.
Sarah:because even with clinical trials, they'll be like, you know, let's
Sarah:say we come out with a new chemical, Coke, that there's a new thing there.
Sarah:They just brought up the, that the, the artificial sweetener is like carcinogenic.
Sarah:Well, they did trials when they made it and it wasn't carcinogenic.
Sarah:Yeah.
Sarah:What's the issue?
Sarah:Well, now they're seeing 20, 30 year use in bringing it back to that.
Sarah:So that's, that's a perfect example of chronic toxicity that you're not, that
Sarah:you're, you're publishing that things are safe, but it's actually not when
Sarah:you are using natural ingredients.
Sarah:The re you can still get chronic test toxicity if you like, you, let's say you
Sarah:put like a bottle of cinnamon, essential oil on your body at one time, but if you
Sarah:use it as directed, You won't get chronic toxicity from something because again,
Sarah:your body has grown from nature itself.
Sarah:It knows how to filter it out.
Sarah:I, I would say it's similar to dumping toxins and water.
Sarah:eventually like it, you know, it, it, it seeps into the water and
Sarah:it slowly makes it more toxic.
Sarah:It's not, and, and, and then you start getting dead fish.
Sarah:It's that your body works the same way.
Sarah:It doesn't know how to filter out those.
Sarah:But let's say I put some, let me, I'll just throw some shea butter and water.
Sarah:It's not gonna to, it's not gonna make the water toxic.
Sarah:It's just gonna go back into the soil and the soil can
Sarah:decompose it and it, it's fine.
Sarah:We don't know how to decompose synthetic ingredients, whether
Sarah:it's in nature or on our bodies.
Sarah:Yeah, it
Raven:sounds like as far as the pharmaceutical industry and the market
Raven:is evolving much faster than the human biology can keep up with in terms
Raven:of digesting the food, being able to filter out the water, being able to
Raven:filter out all the constant toxins that we're putting in from our food, our
Raven:water, our pharmaceuticals, et cetera.
Raven:And then not to mention, not to mention the constant psychological onslaught
Raven:from just the culture at large.
Sarah:And then, you know, next step is to add, transhumanism with, robots because we
Sarah:have, we have so many issues now that we have to create a new invention to fix it.
Sarah:It just, it seems like madness when you say it out loud.
Raven:Yeah, it is.
Raven:Well, one that I think about, this is really just, me just a thought experiment.
Raven:I like to sit with alone at night.
Raven:Is that, so if.
Raven:The human cor, the natural course of evolution created man.
Raven:And then it would, would, seems that me, a man, a caveman creating fire.
Raven:And a stone axe is also a natural course of evolution.
Raven:But at one point does that fire and stone ax to a boat turn into a smartphone
Raven:and transhumanism and uploading your consciousness to the AI cloud
Raven:and morphing with alter like where?
Raven:Where is it no longer the natural course of evolution?
Raven:Because I do think that innovation, like we, we see chimpanzees use
Raven:tools, we see birds use tools.
Raven:I think innovation is an ev is a natural course, but at what point did
Raven:it become detrimental to our survival?
Raven:Mm-hmm.
Sarah:Well, I, I really enjoy this topic too because, I mean, I, I run my,
Sarah:my business, but I also am actually a, a partner marketing manager in big tech,
Sarah:and I do a lot of public speaking on ai.
Sarah:and recently my tone has changed, from, you know, the innovative
Sarah:standpoint to what, what does this actually do to us as humans?
Sarah:Yeah.
Sarah:And you know, and this is, we'll get into, we can get into the spiritual part.
Sarah:You go to, you go to India and you can see very, very, enlightened yogis do
Sarah:things that you might think is fiction.
Sarah:and so I think.
Sarah:This innovation is coming from the fact that we as humans are
Sarah:dreaming of these, futuristic, you know, unlimited abundant goals.
Sarah:That's where it comes from.
Sarah:We want, we want abundance, we want, we wanna be able to, you know,
Sarah:see our dreams, stuff like this.
Sarah:The technology already exists all within yourself, but because we have grown so
Sarah:far, detached from it, we're trying to create it again outside of ourselves.
Sarah:So, Even down to, like D m T, you can release d m t yourself through
Sarah:very intense sauna practice.
Sarah:there, there's, there's, you know, there's literally shamans
Sarah:that can, can do ancestral work.
Sarah:They can do dream traveling.
Sarah:I think that is the, the juxtaposition of what they're trying to do with
Sarah:the metaverse is they're like, we want something that seems
Sarah:supernatural that we don't have.
Sarah:And so we're trying to innovate to create it.
Sarah:But what does your body look like being, you know, the yogis seem to
Sarah:be fine in handling that energy, but what happens when you put on
Sarah:a metaverse mask for 20 hours?
Sarah:What happens to the blue light to your eyes?
Sarah:What happens to your, what happens to your literal sense of self?
Sarah:So they're both trying to achieve the same thing except one is harmful to the system.
Raven:Yeah.
Raven:And one's external versus the internal.
Sarah:Yeah.
Sarah:And what do, what do we, we're not trying to, I mean, there's external
Sarah:work to do, but inner work in the inner path is, is the most important
Sarah:thing for all of us to take.
Raven:Yeah, I think that's a really good point is that we could look at yogis in
Raven:the East and see the things that they're doing and that we would look at 'em with.
Raven:There's that old adage that if you had a, a cell phone fif 20 years,
Raven:50 years ago, a hundred years ago, they would think that it's magic.
Raven:So if we were to look to the yogis in the east, the things that they're doing are
Raven:magic, and we could probably learn many lessons of how we're trying to do it with.
Raven:Wires and technology and ones and zeros and the external as
Raven:opposed to looking to the internal.
Raven:And I think that's a, a very powerful lesson to learn.
Raven:I wonder how many, how many generations it'll take to unpack
Sarah:that one.
Sarah:Yeah.
Sarah:My, my favorite story to tell is there's like mi there's really, really, great
Sarah:mind readers in the villages that can, that can literally figure out like
Sarah:what you're thinking of very quickly.
Sarah:but now that they're developing technology of like headsets where, you
Sarah:know, they can monitor your brainwaves, And actually no, they can decipher
Sarah:now what you're saying or thinking that's scary ba based off of it.
Sarah:but the difference, what I've seen is one, the, the yogis are doing this
Sarah:because they have intense sadina.
Sarah:and they're doing very, I would say very steric work that requires humility.
Sarah:Whereas now we have the technology, we don't have to go through all that.
Sarah:We don't have to wake up with the sun, we don't have to eat well, we
Sarah:don't have to treat people kindly, to get bestowed these types of gifts.
Raven:I need a subscription.
Sarah:Yes.
Sarah:Now it's okay.
Sarah:Subscribe.
Sarah:So, you know, when you're doing a, a Ted talk, you know, in the audience instantly
Sarah:if they liked what you said or not.
Sarah:so I, the worlds are colliding.
Sarah:It's almost like a singularity.
Raven:It, it really is.
Raven:And I think that that's something to take about the, the supposed
Raven:singularity is that it's worlds from every direction colliding.
Raven:And I think that's really what's about to happen.
Raven:Like, it's scary to think about, but I mean, at the same
Raven:time it's kinda beautiful.
Sarah:It's scary.
Sarah:It, it's scary if you don't know what you're doing with yourself.
Sarah:If you don't have a firm foundation yourself, it can be scary.
Sarah:And so when it comes to just overall plant medicine, and, and lifestyle, really,
Sarah:one, put in the research for yourself.
Sarah:two, really, really experiment and find, you know, your, your group
Sarah:of people that really, understand what you're going through.
Sarah:Cuz spiritual community, sanha is so important for self-development in itself.
Sarah:and really just learning.
Sarah:Learning your sort of connection with divine, whether it's Vedic or you
Sarah:know, whether you real, your ancestral heritage is more leaning towards, you
Sarah:know, like an Ecuadorian rainforest.
Sarah:Like there there is beauty and there is holiness in everything.
Sarah:And making sure you have some sort of connection to something higher than
Sarah:yourself, like as above, so below.
Sarah:It's very
Raven:true.
Raven:Yeah.
Raven:Yeah.
Raven:Really well said.
Raven:Well, I guess my next question is, what are you working on next, Sarah?
Raven:and where can people find you online?
Sarah:So, I'm working on actually a, a 10 product skincare line.
Sarah:and the, the reason for that too is the skincare industry is like
Sarah:one of the most polluting factors of our bodies in the environment.
Sarah:And so, there's a lot of work to be done in forming proper,
Sarah:you know, just labor chains, not using palm oil, stuff like that.
Sarah:And, and, and I want.
Sarah:You know, I want people to have a morning routine that makes them refreshed.
Sarah:but also really just, it, it, it makes them, you know, bring back and
Sarah:center themselves in the morning.
Sarah:So skincare is, my next, my next line.
Sarah:and they can finally on Instagram, dandelions on underscore alchemy
Sarah:or online@dandelions.co co.
Raven:Awesome.
Raven:Well thank you so much Sarah for joining Plant Save My Life today.
Raven:I appreciate you sharing your story and I really appreciate you doing the
Raven:good work out there to help bridge the gap between these two worlds.
Sarah:Oh, thank you so much Raven, and thank you for the work that you're doing.
Sarah:This is extremely important.
Sarah:so.
Sarah:Keep doing you.
Raven:Aw, thank you.
Sarah:Okay.
Raven:All righty.
Raven:So that was Sarah Lyons, owner of Dan Lyons Alchemy, which you can find online
Raven:via her website, dandy Lyons alchemy.co.
Raven:Or her Instagram at Dandy Lyons.
Raven:And Dan Lyons is spelled d a n d e l y o n s.
Raven:Dandy Lyons alchemy.
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